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Fixin to test sight in soon as the rain lets off. Shot it one time after rough assembly. No front sight till yesterday ? So it was pointless to waste ammo. Will sight at 50 to check point of impact with the open sights. May have to change bolt handle because of location to my right hand under heavy recoil, and make a larger loop in the trigger guard. I've heard these two can be a painful issue. We'll see directly.
Just came in. Fired 4 rounds. windage is good. Shooting 8 to 10" high at 50 yards. Recoil manageable, Fairly sharp ? but not brutal. using a shooting stick. Looking GOOD. Am having some trigger guard contact on second knuckle, I can live with it. These are Hornady 400 grain DGX loads @ 2,400 F.P.S.....These aren't light loads. The fact I shot 4 rounds ? means the recoil is tolerable.....Everything held together. The sight hood even stayed on. I was sure it would fly off to parts unknow.
Just came in. Fired 4 rounds. windage is good. Shooting 8 to 10" high at 50 yards. Recoil manageable, Fairly sharp ? but not brutal. using a shooting stick. Looking GOOD. Am having some trigger guard contact on second knuckle, I can live with it. These are Hornady 400 grain DGX loads @ 2,400 F.P.S.....These aren't light loads. The fact I shot 4 rounds ? means the recoil is tolerable.....Everything held together. The sight hood even stayed on. I was sure it would fly off to parts unknow.
I went to the other end of the spectrum. I managed to semi get the 22-250 sighted in today. The master of all things rode me to the range in my truck and spotted for me since I couldn't hop 100yds back and forth. You have never lived until you let your wife do this for you. She holds her finger and thumb apart and says "it's about this much over that away and a little bit high."
Lawdhepme I'll be glad when this foot gets to where I can walk again. I was going to take the spotting scope with us but it took her so long to change shoes, pants, feed the dog and get my car keys I was afraid I would have to set outside till tomorrow morning so I just used what I had. If she had walked any slower back and forth she would have been backing up.
At any rate I when I finished I was about 2 inches high at 100yd and shooting a 1 inch group. Not as good as the 25-06 but I was shooting factory federal ammo. If I can get her to start at 1:00 pm maybe I can shoot by 4pm and try a couple more brands tomorrow----maybe, not likely but maybe.
Lawdhepme I'll be glad when this foot gets to where I can walk again. I was going to take the spotting scope with us but it took her so long to change shoes, pants, feed the dog and get my car keys I was afraid I would have to set outside till tomorrow morning so I just used what I had. If she had walked any slower back and forth she would have been backing up.
At any rate I when I finished I was about 2 inches high at 100yd and shooting a 1 inch group. Not as good as the 25-06 but I was shooting factory federal ammo. If I can get her to start at 1:00 pm maybe I can shoot by 4pm and try a couple more brands tomorrow----maybe, not likely but maybe.
It wouldn't hurt to break it in. I did on mine and Linda's 6.5x55 but i didn't on the 25-06 mainly because I forgot to bring it down to the range with me and I was too lazy to walk back up to the shop. I use Hoppes and when I'm finished I run a light coat of either Rem oil or Ballistol through it.
Come to think of it I don't think I got the 25-06 from Shaw. It may have been made by Shaw but I think I bought the barrel from EA Brown, pretty sure I did.
Come to think of it I don't think I got the 25-06 from Shaw. It may have been made by Shaw but I think I bought the barrel from EA Brown, pretty sure I did.
I don't think the solvent really matters, Just keep it cleaned out. From everything I read, and experience in tool and die ? No matter what technique you use to cut barrel rifling, There is going to be varying degree's of roughness in the bore. DO NOT RUN A BORESNAKE DOWN A NEW BARREL !!!
It will get STUCK !!!!
The way I understand it. Micro cutting marks need to be filled with jacket material to properly seat a bore. The degree of fouling needed to do this depends on cutter wear when the rifling is cut. The barrel makers use a different set of cutter/usage tolerances than rifle makers. Seasoning a barrel is actually filling in the rough cutter marks when rifling is cut. I'm sure they get some of the rough out but not all. This is why you don't use a boresnake. The rope on it acts like velcro = stuck boresnake.
Follow the basic rules from Shaw. Use a bore SOLVENT, and before you fire run a dry patch down the barrel before shooting. Much depends on how clean the powder is burning during firing. And how fast gilding material on the bullet is filling cutter marks in the rifling.
It will get STUCK !!!!
The way I understand it. Micro cutting marks need to be filled with jacket material to properly seat a bore. The degree of fouling needed to do this depends on cutter wear when the rifling is cut. The barrel makers use a different set of cutter/usage tolerances than rifle makers. Seasoning a barrel is actually filling in the rough cutter marks when rifling is cut. I'm sure they get some of the rough out but not all. This is why you don't use a boresnake. The rope on it acts like velcro = stuck boresnake.
Follow the basic rules from Shaw. Use a bore SOLVENT, and before you fire run a dry patch down the barrel before shooting. Much depends on how clean the powder is burning during firing. And how fast gilding material on the bullet is filling cutter marks in the rifling.
Finished another older project in the wee hours this morning. A 98 Mauser, 8x57, Yugo 48 A....28" barrel off a WWI stepped barreled rifle, Pro-Mag Arch-Angel stock, O.D. green. A L1A1 flash hider installed, Using a P-17 front sight with a Lyman rear bridge mounted peep. It's scoped, the open sights are for back-up. This is a LOONG rifle. This is my woods sniper. From the front receiver ring, to the end of the flash hider...32"
Not sure how this will work out ? But will give it a try. Different looking rifle. No doubt. And the weight is pretty good for length.
Without going in to all the reasons. I'd like to have a different caliber...8mm-06 BUT !... The M-48 won't allow for the change because of action length.
Anyways, I need to headspace the rifle, This may all be for nothing. But we'll see. Also have to order reamer for the 1909 Arg. in 25-06. Am trying to finish older project that were on hold for various reasons
Not sure how this will work out ? But will give it a try. Different looking rifle. No doubt. And the weight is pretty good for length.
Without going in to all the reasons. I'd like to have a different caliber...8mm-06 BUT !... The M-48 won't allow for the change because of action length.
Anyways, I need to headspace the rifle, This may all be for nothing. But we'll see. Also have to order reamer for the 1909 Arg. in 25-06. Am trying to finish older project that were on hold for various reasons
Ok Krp what say you to their list? The 7 Best Rifle Barrel Makers | Field & Stream
PRICE !! If I was shooting 1,000 yard competition ? I might look at things differently. But as far as practical use goes ? Shaw does just fine.
OK... The biggest determining factor was...THE FRIGGIN WEBSITE !! Most of these barrel makers website/cost determination ? SUCKS ROOT !
About as clear as mud. By the time you try and figure cost ? You have no idea when you are done. And the price you think you are paying ??
That ain't happening. I've looked at almost all these websites, and gave them up as a bad joke. I'm not going to waste my time if I can't even get a ballpark on cost because of bad website design. Then there is caliber availability and twist rates. Had to go with Pac-Nor because they were the only one that did 500 Jeffery chambering, and I could have a idea of cost. I don't have a problem with Pac-Nor, And won't bad mouth them. They did the best they could under the circumstances, What I will say ? How good a barrel maker REALLY is ? Is how they take care of a problem. I've found Shaw and Pac-Nor both very good at customer service.
As usual, Did research on barrel manufactures before this all started ? And found what seems to be a buttload of snobs when it comes to barrels or anything firearms related. Of course there is a certain degree of expertise in barrel making. But there are very few, if any barrels that will shoot all types of factory ammo to the same degree of accuracy....AIN'T HAPPENING. Too many variables.
In short ? It's all someone's opinion. Someone else will not like a barrel maker because they don't chamber the latest 400 Nigerian Jughumper Magnum. Or get a certain caliber in a faster/slower twist barrel.
Face it. Opinions are like arseholes, Everybody's got one. And just like arseholes ? Some stink worse than others.
The best gauge of a business ? How long have they been in business. If you ain't good ? You don't stay in business.
OK... The biggest determining factor was...THE FRIGGIN WEBSITE !! Most of these barrel makers website/cost determination ? SUCKS ROOT !
About as clear as mud. By the time you try and figure cost ? You have no idea when you are done. And the price you think you are paying ??
That ain't happening. I've looked at almost all these websites, and gave them up as a bad joke. I'm not going to waste my time if I can't even get a ballpark on cost because of bad website design. Then there is caliber availability and twist rates. Had to go with Pac-Nor because they were the only one that did 500 Jeffery chambering, and I could have a idea of cost. I don't have a problem with Pac-Nor, And won't bad mouth them. They did the best they could under the circumstances, What I will say ? How good a barrel maker REALLY is ? Is how they take care of a problem. I've found Shaw and Pac-Nor both very good at customer service.
As usual, Did research on barrel manufactures before this all started ? And found what seems to be a buttload of snobs when it comes to barrels or anything firearms related. Of course there is a certain degree of expertise in barrel making. But there are very few, if any barrels that will shoot all types of factory ammo to the same degree of accuracy....AIN'T HAPPENING. Too many variables.
In short ? It's all someone's opinion. Someone else will not like a barrel maker because they don't chamber the latest 400 Nigerian Jughumper Magnum. Or get a certain caliber in a faster/slower twist barrel.
Face it. Opinions are like arseholes, Everybody's got one. And just like arseholes ? Some stink worse than others.
The best gauge of a business ? How long have they been in business. If you ain't good ? You don't stay in business.
Woke up at 2:00 am with a bug in my arse....Been looking at Belve's DuMoulin 257. This SOB has got my goat. The SOB will let the firing pin fall when you let the safety off. COULD NOT figure out WTF was going on ??? Had to do some stock reshaping, So I got down to it.
Found the bolt was not falling completely into battery because of the fookin GD pissant bolt handle....
This is a round shafted swept back style handle. I HATE THESE FOOKIN THINGS !!!! I think they don't look for shit, and they are a fookin nightmare to fit into the stock and get them to look right !!!
The bastards have compound radiused angles and are a complete bitch to fit RIGHT. This was a Herter's 80% inletted stock, Which has been a pure turd to fit. The DuMoulin action is different than any other Mauser 98, commercial or military I've done. Fortunately the dimensions are slightly oversized, so it did work out well. Has a strange ass trigger on it. GOOD trigger just weird ass dimensions and shape, which makes it a pure bitch to inlet. And you want to bet this was a good part of this cluster f***. A trigger housing binding will cause this same condition, as will the safety not in full lock. Had a couple of rifles do this lately. And just about every one had different reasons for doing this. Most being because some idjit screwed with the trigger, safety or cocking piece try to do a trigger/safety job. Did learn one thing...IF I ever loose my capabilities with a Dremel Tool ? I'm screwed.
Despite all the bitchin and pissing and moaning, I am getting some projects done. The 1909 Arg. 25-06 is waiting for chamber reamer as is the 8x57. These should take less than an hour to finish both.
Double's is next. It's on the way. And I picked up another project rifle that is going to be a major mystery to find out just what the hell it was to begin with. A 94 Winc. thats been assembled from different style rifles. Don't know if I'll ever figure this one out.
I think I may have finally lost what little mind I had.
Found the bolt was not falling completely into battery because of the fookin GD pissant bolt handle....
This is a round shafted swept back style handle. I HATE THESE FOOKIN THINGS !!!! I think they don't look for shit, and they are a fookin nightmare to fit into the stock and get them to look right !!!
The bastards have compound radiused angles and are a complete bitch to fit RIGHT. This was a Herter's 80% inletted stock, Which has been a pure turd to fit. The DuMoulin action is different than any other Mauser 98, commercial or military I've done. Fortunately the dimensions are slightly oversized, so it did work out well. Has a strange ass trigger on it. GOOD trigger just weird ass dimensions and shape, which makes it a pure bitch to inlet. And you want to bet this was a good part of this cluster f***. A trigger housing binding will cause this same condition, as will the safety not in full lock. Had a couple of rifles do this lately. And just about every one had different reasons for doing this. Most being because some idjit screwed with the trigger, safety or cocking piece try to do a trigger/safety job. Did learn one thing...IF I ever loose my capabilities with a Dremel Tool ? I'm screwed.
Despite all the bitchin and pissing and moaning, I am getting some projects done. The 1909 Arg. 25-06 is waiting for chamber reamer as is the 8x57. These should take less than an hour to finish both.
Double's is next. It's on the way. And I picked up another project rifle that is going to be a major mystery to find out just what the hell it was to begin with. A 94 Winc. thats been assembled from different style rifles. Don't know if I'll ever figure this one out.
I think I may have finally lost what little mind I had.
