Here it comes.
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The people that bought them when Remington went in the dumper (Vista Group) has decided to get out of the guns and ammo business. This means Smith & Wesson among others is probably going to be up for sale before long. Ruger buying Marlin saved Marlin because they were owned by Remington which is now owned by Vista. As far as I can find out Olin is the only ammo company still in the US and even some of their plants are in Turkey. Winchester Arms is still a US company but their guns are made all over everywhere except the model 70 centerfires. We got a couple of Winchester shotguns and the only thing made in the US about them is the cardboard boxes. If we get into a war we will have to buy the bullets from the people we are fighting. The Checz company that is buying them up said they aren't planning to move manufacturing plants at this time. I wonder how long that will last. There is still a very slight chance the shareholders will vote no on the sale and it is rumored that Hornady is going to make an offer. I guess we will see next week.
We still have the lead we just have to send it to China to get it smelted and then shipped back to us. All this thanks to Obama. You can tell by looking at the air over China that they are much cleaner over there with their smelting plants. Hell, we can't even make lead fishing weights.
This is interesting, I don't think it is very practical but interesting.
I wonder who keeps it stocked? Machine owner? I just never think about ammo in a grocery store. Of course I don't go in grocery stores. So if I need ammo its on-line or in a gun store. I agree....not very practical to me. The first time I try it and they wouldn't have the caliber I wanted them probably never use it again. Basic calibers I am sure. 9mm,556, 308 and blah...blah...blah.
Milk, eggs and now bullets for sale in handful of US grocery stores with ammo vending machines
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Milk, eggs and now bullets for sale in handful of US grocery stores with ammo vending machines
A company has installed computerized vending machines to sell ammunition in grocery stores in Alabama, Oklahoma and Texas, allowing patrons to pick up bullets along with a gallon of milk.
20.lb rifle. That should tell you very much. I'm not buying any of this. I just made a Savage 110 in 284, That will shoot that good, At most likely a 1/4 of the price, and less than 1/2 the weight.
When you assemble your own rifles, You can do this.
Your 25-06 most likely will shoot this well. And it's a HUNTING weight rifle.
When you assemble your own rifles, You can do this.
Your 25-06 most likely will shoot this well. And it's a HUNTING weight rifle.
I just thought it was interesting. It might be useful shooting prairie dogs or ground hogs or something like that. Competition stuff never really interested me, but accuracy did. I always figured that somebody should be able to hit what they are hunting. I hate to see something run off wounded, even if its a coyote. Pigs ehhhh not so much. That's why I have stuck with the Leupold scopes all this time. I will pay more for a scope that the rifle it's on. If the gun is accurate, and I can't see what I'm shooting at, I might as well have a rock. As I've gotten older and more feeble I want to be able to pick the spot I want to hit and that requires a good scope and an accurate gun. The lower powered inexpensive scope will show me the deer or coyote or whatever but I can't see well enough anymore to pick the flea I want to put the bullet in.
You are right about the 25-06. That gun with the Hornady bullet hits where I point it and it's a hunting weight gun.I'm just hoping the bullet does it's part. I have some Winchester power point, super wizbang, rudy tooty bullets that were supposed to knock an elephant and two wild mongoose to their knees and they weren't worth spit. They were accurate and grouped inside one MOA but they didn't work. The old core lok Remingtons weren't as accurate ( still within 1 1/2 MOA) but expanded and dropped a deer grave yard dead.
A whole lot of things have to work together to make a load and gun and shooter work together.
You are right about the 25-06. That gun with the Hornady bullet hits where I point it and it's a hunting weight gun.I'm just hoping the bullet does it's part. I have some Winchester power point, super wizbang, rudy tooty bullets that were supposed to knock an elephant and two wild mongoose to their knees and they weren't worth spit. They were accurate and grouped inside one MOA but they didn't work. The old core lok Remingtons weren't as accurate ( still within 1 1/2 MOA) but expanded and dropped a deer grave yard dead.
A whole lot of things have to work together to make a load and gun and shooter work together.
"Things have to work together' My whole point. Things DON'T work together on production rifles. Light whippy barrels, flimsy ass junk stocks. All in the quest for a 6 pound rifle. In short a load of crap. It's common sense. Barrels keep getting shorter, stocks lighter = less weight = less material costs in any rifle. Common sense tells you this isn't going to make a accurate rifle. Sure I like a carbine length rifle, But have the brains not to use it for a 350 yard shot. Unless you're REALLY lucky ? You'll have to work like hell to get the animal.
In short, you start shorting a certain set of building guides, The specifications that have been set for decades ? You have problems. This guy brags about a competition rifle = pointless...Too heavy to tote hunting, Too expensive to afford. And it's not a caliber I'd use for hunting. Antelope is the biggest animal I'd try to take with a 24 caliber gun. And because of wind drift ? Isn't the best choice for that hunting.
Barrel length / outside diameter, stock design and rigidity, trigger pull, scope quality, and ammo choice, Are the specifics that make a accurate rifle. To get a accurate rifle, Weight will be required, To get a rifle that effectively hunts... caliber/bullet must be considered.
Understand this...The 284 I built ? I put on a 30-06 length action. Why ? Because the powers that be, Put it originally on a short action, and pretty much screwed the capacity to use longer and heavier bullets. Pretty much screwed a very good cartridge right out of the gate to be obsolete.
This happens quite often with production firearms.
So....I take a used Savage 110. ..Rework it with a new barrel/stock. Don't have to screw with the trigger, Throw in some minor aftermarket parts, And have a very accurate rifle for less, or around, $1,000 dollars, In any caliber I choose, minus full length magnums. And have a rifle as accurate as any I've owned in 4 decades.
Let's talk about recoil.....For decades, Manufacturers have refused to put a serious recoil pad on rifles, if any pad at all. And you want to bet this is a major problem. I don't know how many rifles I've bought CHEAP, because of no recoil pad, and a shit stock design. I'll bet they are using a decent recoil pad on these light rifles, depending on caliber.......A whole new influx of smaller cartridges to fit the AR-15 and short action bolt rifles, That will most likely be obsolete in 10 or less years. Great for recoil wimps and paper shooters ? But marginal for hunting. Less production costs drives most gun trends.
Certain facts of physics cannot be avoided, Mitigated some, but are still undeniably present. The last 2 dangerous game caliber rifles I built ? 10 to 12 pounds in weight, NO scope. Whether I like it or not. Sooner or later a scope will eye pop me = no scope. Consider all the things mentioned ? And hold on to your longer barreled rifles.
In short, you start shorting a certain set of building guides, The specifications that have been set for decades ? You have problems. This guy brags about a competition rifle = pointless...Too heavy to tote hunting, Too expensive to afford. And it's not a caliber I'd use for hunting. Antelope is the biggest animal I'd try to take with a 24 caliber gun. And because of wind drift ? Isn't the best choice for that hunting.
Barrel length / outside diameter, stock design and rigidity, trigger pull, scope quality, and ammo choice, Are the specifics that make a accurate rifle. To get a accurate rifle, Weight will be required, To get a rifle that effectively hunts... caliber/bullet must be considered.
Understand this...The 284 I built ? I put on a 30-06 length action. Why ? Because the powers that be, Put it originally on a short action, and pretty much screwed the capacity to use longer and heavier bullets. Pretty much screwed a very good cartridge right out of the gate to be obsolete.
This happens quite often with production firearms.
So....I take a used Savage 110. ..Rework it with a new barrel/stock. Don't have to screw with the trigger, Throw in some minor aftermarket parts, And have a very accurate rifle for less, or around, $1,000 dollars, In any caliber I choose, minus full length magnums. And have a rifle as accurate as any I've owned in 4 decades.
Let's talk about recoil.....For decades, Manufacturers have refused to put a serious recoil pad on rifles, if any pad at all. And you want to bet this is a major problem. I don't know how many rifles I've bought CHEAP, because of no recoil pad, and a shit stock design. I'll bet they are using a decent recoil pad on these light rifles, depending on caliber.......A whole new influx of smaller cartridges to fit the AR-15 and short action bolt rifles, That will most likely be obsolete in 10 or less years. Great for recoil wimps and paper shooters ? But marginal for hunting. Less production costs drives most gun trends.
Certain facts of physics cannot be avoided, Mitigated some, but are still undeniably present. The last 2 dangerous game caliber rifles I built ? 10 to 12 pounds in weight, NO scope. Whether I like it or not. Sooner or later a scope will eye pop me = no scope. Consider all the things mentioned ? And hold on to your longer barreled rifles.
That is what I wanted when I was looking for that kind of carbine. I wanted it in the 40. The older models came in the 40 but are discontinued. Buying one used can go for well over $700. So now they come in the 10mm. Go figure. I didn't want the 9mm and thought about the 5.7x28 but I wanted the 40 and settled for the High point. I tell people its the ugliest gun ever made. It is fun to shoot but it ain't no Ruger.
I got 3 or 4 distributors that have them in stock if you still want one. I'm thinking about one myself to put in the corner of the bedroom. I watched this thing and the guy is shooting at 300 yds and acouple of times at 400. It probably doesn't have 300 ft lbs of energy at 400 but even at that I wouldn't want to be hit by one.
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I know how you love new ammo Krp, but this was a very interesting read.
www.americanrifleman.org
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Winchester's New .21 Sharp Cartridge
Winchester Ammunition's introduction of the .21 Sharp takes the venerable .22 Long Rifle cartridge in a new direction that promises higher velocities and superior bullet selection.
